Very good information, we are stuck with cisco at the moment.
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great news! someone is
great news! someone is choosing a free one instead of an expensive investment after having a considerable amount of experience.
Smart enough to NOT drink the Cisco Koolaid
I am glad to see that some companies are smart enough to make alternate choices...SIP rules!!
Asterisk...I'll pass.
As an engineer, I've had several unpleasent experiences with Asterisk. Support will continue to be an issue. I would prefer several other offerings over Asterisk any day of the week.
Avaya, Cisco, Shortel...all solid products.
Don't be so quick to judge
I bet that there are many engineers who have had several unpleasant experiences with the established vendors you mention. (I'm not sure that being an engineer has anything to do with it.)
If it weren't for the courage of people willing to try something new, we'd be forever stuck with over-priced, proprietary (even though based on "standards") products.
It's all about risk management
I've deployed quite a few Cisco based VoIP systems for small to large sized companies. I've also used Asterisk. There is no arguing with the fact that Asterisk is free. The debate will go on for years about the actual cost, or TCO of commercial -vs- open source, so I will spare everyone that.
What it really comes down to is risk. There is an old saying in IT, that "No ever got fired for buying IBM". In general (read 99.99% of the time), that is a true statement. Today you can say the same thing about Cisco.
When you suggest to management that you can produce a system with open source software that will have an over-all cost reduction of (insert your best guess at savings here), you are setting youself up to be either a hero, or a patsy, depending on how well everything goes. If you save the company $200,000.00 on their new phone system by sucessfully installing Asterisk, you will likely get a big pat on the back and perhaps, if you are VERY lucky even an extra grand or two in your bonus. If you suggest installing Asterisk to save money, and after several months the company's phone system is still dropping customer calls, or failing to route calls correctly, well you better have your resume up-to-date, cause the CEO is going to want someone's head. If your Cisco VoIP deployment goes all to hell, and you've kept Cisco involved when there are problems, then your butt is covered at least.
Astrisk is a great product (I use it at home), but I'm not going to recommend it for 5000 seat deployment, where if there are problems I can't find find fixes for, I have to blow the dust off of my C compiler to (try in vain probably) to fix. If I run into a problem with a Cisco deployment, I get support from someone that will write code fixes if necessary to fix my problem and get the system to work the way it was promissed.
BTW, can someone explain to me why "SIP rocks". There has been so much market focus on this over the past 2 years, and it you take the time to look at the fundamental differances of competing protocols, it just doesn't make sense (the hype I mean). The fact is that IP phones are pretty darn useless by themselves. They need to register to somekind of server or proxy, unless you want to enter your entire dial-plan into each phone. As such, they are really clients to a server. If phones are really clients, then why is the market so intent on using a truely (great) peer-to-peer protocol like SIP for phones. Don't get me wrong, SIP is great protocol, and much more fun to tweak on that client-server protocols like SCCP, but using SIP as a determining factor in choosing a VoIP solution is like using the color of the face bezel to determine what servers you are going to buy. The fact is that Cisco supports SIP, though in 95% of the deployments I've worked with it's never used or needed. And SCCP is supported by Asterisk, but most Asterisk deployments use SIP without ever missing the easy setup and management that SCCP offers, because Asterisk uses other ways to handle those tasks.
"Astrisk is a great product
"Astrisk is a great product (I use it at home), but I'm not going to recommend it for 5000 seat deployment, where if there are problems I can't find find fixes for, I have to blow the dust off of my C compiler to (try in vain probably) to fix. If I run into a problem with a Cisco deployment, I get support from someone that will write code fixes if necessary to fix my problem and get the system to work the way it was promissed"
I don't see any logic in this statement. Digium is a company who too has developers who can fix a problem. Being the code is GPL, means there are plenty of people who can actually look at the code and fix a problem.
SCCP is proprietary which means that most likely entities will never choose it over something as widely deployed as SIP. SIP just allows a lot more flexibility wouldn't you think? Not being tied to a specific vendor usually allows that.
There are a whole lot of VOIP providers out there that have more than 5000 customers and most of them support SIP and believe it or not are most using Asterisk. While not all of them may be perfect, I don't experience any dropped calls with the ones I use.
In the end, I don't think of risk management in the way that is stated. Risk management is rather a process of planning to reduce the number of risks. While theories about probable difficulties are part of risk management, they aren't specific to a specific resource and problems can result from any deployment.
While you may feel most comfortable with using a Cisco product, comfort level is not risk management.
We have several enterprise
We have several enterprise Asterisk deployments in use. It's a fantastic platform. It's also popular enough now that there are many options for hourly commercial support in the event you get into a jam. I'm thankful to say, though, that with the right preparation, the support isn't often necessary.
VMukti
I use VMukti for my vopi open source needs and has been nominated for the CCA 2008.
Haven’t used VMukti yet? Well I bet you have a need for it already. VMukti is a Free, innovative, multi-point total communications, collaboration and conferencing engine with built-in support for access to platform features through Personal Customizable Web Interface, Widgets for 3rd party websites, Desktops, and PSTN/ Mobile/ IP Phones. VMukti has been nominated for CCA 2008.
Help VMukti get the support they need from the user community to continue developing such a great project. You can show your support by recognizing this software in the SourceForge.net 2008 Community Choice Awards. This recognition will help ensure that their software gets the attention it needs to continue to provide a great set of features to the software community.
You can vote for the software on SourceForge.net by going here:
http://www.vmukti.com/latest-news/vmukti-calls-on-community-to-win-prestigious-award.html
Winning this award would mean big things for all the users at VMukti.
SHSU VOIP
The final deployment occurred last Friday 7/18/
AS a user, I would like you to now ask SHSU how
this is operating. In a department of SHSU wil a small number (15) it has been a nightmare. Computers are going down everything. Ask them now how it is going.
VMukti CCA 2008
I use VMukti for my voip open source needs and has been nominated for the CCA 2008.
Haven’t used VMukti yet? Well I bet you have a need for it already. VMukti is a Free, innovative, multi-point total communications, collaboration and conferencing engine with built-in support for access to platform features through Personal Customizable Web Interface, Widgets for 3rd party websites, Desktops, and PSTN/ Mobile/ IP Phones. VMukti has been nominated for CCA 2008.
Help VMukti get the support they need from the user community to continue developing such a great project. You can show your support by recognizing this software in the SourceForge.net 2008 Community Choice Awards. This recognition will help ensure that their software gets the attention it needs to continue to provide a great set of features to the software community.
You can vote for the software on SourceForge.net by going here:
http://www.vmukti.com/latest-news/vmukti-calls-on-community-to-win-prestigious-award.html
Winning this award would mean big things for all the users at VMukti.